I've seen Vance debate. He can't Never had seen Waltz, until this. I agree. Waltz spent the evening trying to make friends with Vance. Very Weird. I never liked the choice of Waltz as VP and still don't. He may cost the election. Likeable? Yes. Knowledgeable? Not so much (except for MN politics). He is a terrible debater. My first choice was the Gov. of PA Shapiro. He is a much more polished leader, debater and spokesman. Too late now. I could debate Vance and rip him apart. I kept waiting for Vance. Instead he looked like a deer in headlights the entire night.